And not just because he sees Morai — that’s the easy way to interpret it if you want to believe he knows, but I think that even if he has no idea what Morai’s presence represents, it’s still a matter of simple deduction. Deep down I always think Vader told Luke he was his father was jsut … Apr 22, 2019 - This Pin was discovered by OzneFanPage. Ezra was obviously thrilled to see her after spending a couple of years believing her gone, but Ahsoka refused to leave the Jedi temple with Ezra and join the fight on Lothal. So from his perspective? Thread starter JB1981; Start date Sep 20, 2019; Forums. She beseeched Ezra to honor Kanan's sacrifice and let him go. While this is all fanciful, I don’t agree with basically anyone but Filoni here. Resident of One Chicago, Bachelor Nation, and Cleveland. He did nothing but love Ahsoka and she loved him. No one knows Ahsoka that well, so she's sûr, sans danger from Darth Vader, (he think's Ahsoka is dead). He wouldn’t necessarily know that Maul was the one who ripped the hyperdrive to shreds, and given Maul’s known state of imprisonment when the ship left Mandalore, Vader might also not anticipate that Ahsoka would deliberately release him to cause all this. Next Last. 9. Vader himself cuts Ezra’s in half in “Rebels.” Maul’s is cut into two pieces, one still working, by Kenobi in “Phantom Menace.” The various Inquisitors lose theirs in all sorts of ways in “Rebels” as well. Thoughts, anyone? Ahsoka lives. That said, Ahsoka does not appear in the original film trilogy or any of the currently available canon material past the original trilogy era, so it's possible that she either never returns to the main action or she stays under the radar from the main players once she does come back. Whoever controls the portal has access to a conduit that would allow influence on past, present, and future events. Who knows? And Bazine Netal kind of characters, the Crimson Corsair, all of that. Why does he know that? Here's why the Grand Inquisitor killed himself in Star Wars Rebels.The Disney XD series was Lucasfilm's second animated series following Star Wars: The Clone Wars.It introduced fans to a new band of freedom fighters who has a small operation but has a … She also wouldn’t have reported back to the Empire. There have even been a few Photoshops done of this image to blow up the color contrast to indicate that Vader’s eyes beneath the mask weren’t their usual Sith yellow while he was contemplating Anakin’s former apprentice’s fate, suggesting that he was not actually regarding this from a position of his usual hatred: I’ve seen other write-ups on this scene, and many of them focus on what the man beneath the mask was feeling in this moment. Anyway, that's my theory. I want to have a real debate, not a bunch of fans screaming that their hero can't lose. The final episodes of Star Wars Rebels air on Monday, March 5 on Disney XD starting at 8:30 p.m. Vader- Even if you destroy me, My Master will come looking for you! This one is more speculative: Vader’s Force senses have been shown in other mediums to be extremely potent, even after his crippling. Vader finds Ahsoka’s lightsaber. And your former apprentice! No, this was not just for Darth Vader…this was for Anakin Skywalker, as well. It seems at least somewhat possible that he’s too twisted in the dark side at this point to perceive what the presence a being of pure light means. But why did he give up? He also knows that the ship left before Order 66 went down, and never arrived at any destination. And it’s possible that he might well anticipate that she’d be grieving enough to leave the saber behind. Anakin promptly buried the thought as he took control of the battle; he didn’t really want to know. Related articles. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A clone or other officer who had the saber wouldn’t leave it, and would’ve most likely checked back in with the Empire after leaving. We know she did, in fact do so, but Vader almost certainly understands her well enough to know that she would have done so. Ahsoka did reveal Grogu's history of being a Jedi foundling in Coruscant who was hidden and left to fend for himself until Mando found him, but she refused to train the young Force user. Armed with this knowledge, Ezra decided that Kanan/Dume had sent him to the temple to prevent his death, and he raced to find the portal that would take him to Kanan's final moments. 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If Vader intended to kill Luke, then why did he kill Sidious instead? Ahsoka absolutely couldn’t believe his former master would turn like this, and fought Maul instead of joining him. ( Log Out / That much is obvious, because there’s still signs of the troopers’ helmets on the sticks Ahsoka left them on when he arrives. Wiki entries on this speculate that, at the moment he walks away, he’s already concluded that Ahsoka is dead and that there’s nothing more to be found here. You can see him looking at the wreckage searchingly. She accepts that he has become Darth Vader. Ezra learned a valuable lesson about the importance of allowing and even embracing difficult moments, and Ahsoka helped him come to his conclusion. Based on ROTJ, Obi-Wan considered Anakin to be dead. He gets to dictate the canon, but I think Vader knows Ahsoka is alive. Like lying about killing his son? Well, we finally know the truth of what happened to Ahsoka on Malachor back in Season 2! We know that because it was Rex and Ahsoka, who obviously went underground after the wreck. Kanan's arrival was fortuitous as a Master and Apprentice were required to remove the holocron from the weapon. We have cadaver-sniffing dogs that can determine where a body’s buried today in the 21st century. Has opinions about crossovers, Star Wars, and superheroes. Free me Ahsoka! Then what? Say that Vader, through some unlikely chance, manages to capture Ahsoka alive. Kill him! Anakin Skywalker was clinging to the light as Darth Vader was pulling him farther and farther to the dark. The other side of the portal gave Ezra a look into the past when Ahsoka was dueling Vader on Malachor. Now… maybe we can’t know what he actually finds, but I think it’s at least not insane to think that if Ahsoka had died here, he would be able to feel that. I've already made it clear that, in my opinion, Yoda never suggested that Luke should kill Vader, and Obi Wan may have made a mistake in saying that Luke had to either kill Vader or fail. He knows something went wrong on that ship, because obviously it’s here in wreckage with no publicly declared survivors. Someone who survived the crash had it, and left it here deliberately. Vader is canonically and non-canonically shown to lie to Sidious when he feels it's necessary to do so. Maul took the saber in order to get loose, and left it here after his escape. I've already proved that Ahsoka had a Style advantage against Vader which was why she lasted as long as she did, and still was getting owned and wrecked by Vader who can dominate her with the force. Don't be a dolt. The entrance via the painting wasn't just a different way into the temple Ezra had visited before; it was a portal to a pathway between all of time and space. Has The Mandalorian Been Hiding A Star Wars Rebels Character In Plain Sight? The final shot of the series is, in fact, one of the clones’ helmets still painted with the likeness of her facial markings and complexion from the end of the Clone Wars, before Order 66 went down, with Vader’s retreating frame reflected in the visor. My brief thoughts on why I believe ahsoka survived the collapse.I really believe Vader spaired her, or maybe even saved her.Well have to find out in season 3! Registered: Mar 11, 2013. We know Vader isn’t limited to whatever’s left of his normal senses — he’s searching with the Force. In fact, as far as we know, literally no one from this ship ever reported back — only Ahsoka, Rex, and Maul are shown to have survived, and none of them were exactly going to be checking in at the nearest Imperial outpost. He could hear voices speaking, and he recognized some of them as Yoda and Obi-Wan. EtcetEra Forum . Sabine got the lowdown on the portal from outside while Ezra explored the reality within. The big question now is what she'll be up to in the years between the end of Season 2 and the end of Season 4. Comment. For fourteen years, this battle was destined. ( Log Out / Yes, really. By Thomas Bacon Sep 27, 2020. Warning: gigantic spoilers ahead for Episodes 12 and 13 of Star Wars Rebels Season 4, called "The Wolves and a Door" and "A World Between Worlds," respectively. Vader was not only conflicted, he wanted Luke to win. Fortunately for Ezra (and viewers), Ahsoka did stick around long enough to give some important answers. He knows it’s hers, because he made it himself, so this part of the logic follows swiftly. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Ahsoka) is here on the surface, even if this information is by no means dispositive. First Prev 2 of 3 Go to page. Feel free to discuss in the comments! It’s also at least somewhat possible that he knows Morai’s presence means something, but he may not entirely understand what. The fact that Jesse’s helmet was near front and center, in fact, identifies that whoever did this took a great deal of comradery with the fallen troops. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Ron: If anything, we’ve seen that Ahsoka will walk away if she feels that the organization she’s involved with is losing its way. So, while Vader doesn’t necessarily know for sure who left this here, he likely knows that they left this place rather than staying here. Ahsoka is the most likely suspect. Like all Jedi of her era, sh… Theory 2 doesn’t really hold water at all. Darth Vader needed this to extinguish Anakin forever. Ezra did what he could to remove the Sith holocron as Ahsoka fought Vader alone. That is why she needs to sacrifice herself against Vader. Discussion. In Twilight of the Apprentice, Ahsoka's surprise attack slashed open Vader's mask. ( Log Out / His heart grew weary at the thought. If the lightsaber had gone down in the crash, it wouldn’t be functional. Dooku did not intend to kill Anakin. Follow Eric Foley Online on WordPress.com. Jul 1, 2016 - Ahsoka, why did you leave me? Oct 25, 2017 8,241 New York. He gets to dictate the canon, but I think Vader knows Ahsoka is alive. He knows that at this point, neither him nor anyone else can defy … ET. And thus Star Wars: The Clone Wars draws to a close. Although Ahsoka managed to sabotage the floor so it would crumble beneath them, Vader was on the verge of striking a killing blow... when Ezra reached right through the portal and yanked Ahsoka to safety in the world between worlds, alive but very confused. Years later, Ahsoka is involved with the Rebels and has a vision of Anakin Skywalker through the Force, when he taunts her about abandoning him and that being a factor in his journey to what he had become. However, this scheme was thwarted, and Tano began her life as a Jedi. Now here’s the slightly speculative parts, but I think they all follow from inference. They know there isn’t one under the saber, and with enough persistence they could similarly comb the insides of the wreckage itself in some sort of forensic mode and determine that she isn’t there, either. Ezra found a way to enter the Jedi temple on Lothal through a painting of the Mortis family, and he discovered himself in a world between worlds. Palpatine almost certainly tells Anakin to kill Ahsoka and Maul, but he hesitates. Presumably, they also would be combing the rest of the moon the ship crashed on, either for life signs, or for any indication that whoever survived the wreck had gone to ground here on this moon, and either was still alive here or died. One of the longest-running mysteries of Star Wars Rebels was of what happened to Ahsoka Tano in the Season 2 finale after she faced off against Darth Vader. As it turns out, Ahsoka did indeed survive the duel against Vader on Malachor, but it wasn't because she somehow managed to outfight him. Indeed, that’s exactly what he actually did. That said… remember, the saber still works. And so when the Jedi return years later, Ahsoka goes to finish her training. Log In Sign Up. Ezra saved her by reaching back in time and yanking her to safety before Vader could strike a killing blow. Another clone trooper would be quite prone to coming back if he’d managed to survive, in order to pay his respects to his comrades. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Vader starts to back up) Yes, use your anger! End of Clone Wars: Did Vader know Ahsoka was alive? Star Wars: A New Hope introduced the world to a galaxy far, far away and to the main characters of the Star Wars universe, … Maybe she'll pop up in the new Star Wars series or even the third installment of the sequel trilogy. Presumably, Vader also knows that Maul was on this ship, and by similar process of searching, also knows that Maul’s body is also not here. And, in fact, given that he knows the ship did, in fact crash, that Ahsoka herself caused the crash is the most likely explanation. Will not time travel. I know the others are giving some great reasons for why Darth Vader would want to kill Ahsoka, but I also feel it's because of circumstances beyond his control. Star Wars: Why Obi-Wan Let Darth Vader Kill Him In A New Hope. Moreover, Maul doesn’t give two wits about the troopers, and certainly wouldn’t have come back to bury them. And just for the heck of it, I say Luke Skywalker finishes Ahsoka's training LOL! There’s no way that happened by accidental debris dispersal. It was perched over a portal and seemed to want Ezra to do something with what was happening on the other side. If he’d somehow gotten off the ship, he would’ve left and never looked back. So this theory would probably seem unlikely. Clearly there is more story for both Ahsoka and Darth Vader … However, I see two big cons with this: a clone trooper likely would have kept the saber as a souvenir if he was of a mind to take it in the first place, and a (presumably loyal) clone trooper also would’ve reported back to the Empire. However, in both cases, the story proved a dark, melancholic tale that put Ahsoka dangerously close to the Dark Side that had overtaken the galaxy. But even if he can’t feel that, perhaps he doesn’t have enough to draw firm conclusions. For one thing, the convor is a friend of Ahsoka's (and probably connected to the Daughter), which is why she was always around Ahsoka and helped Ezra find the correct portal to save her. Vader can’t possibly miss the significance of the painted helmet. 0. Member. (ROTJ Screenplay) You father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. Sep 20, 2019 #51 Masterspeed said: Pretty much. Well, "A World Between Worlds" resolved the mystery, and not in a way that anybody saw coming. It all comes down to this moment here: Hmmm… there’s information here. Given its proximity to the bodies, it seems very likely that it was the same person who buried them. Vader's ruthlessness and lack of compassion for his former best friend, his former apprentice, the cold hearted statement " Then you … Press J to jump to the feed. She obviously doesn't come back to the rebellion in that span of time since a return would disrupt the timeline, but she could return to the action later on. Next inference: he knows whoever it was, never reported back to the Empire after the Purge. I will not be a slave to the darkside any longer! Darth Vader's betrayal was the only way Palpatine could possibly lose in Return of the Jedi. Now, I was admittedly on board the "Of course Ahsoka is dead!" He could have easily pursued but simply chose not to given one of his primary motives for being there at the time. Ahsoka definitely would’ve come back to bury the bodies. 1:36- I'd say Vader did have chances to kill Ahsoka. Prev. So, as I see it, here are the possible theories that would present themselves to Vader in this moment, as a Sith enforcer seeking to super-sleuth down whether his old Padawan walked away from this: Theory 1 would explain why the other clone troops were buried here. Did Yoda and Obi-Wan want Luke to kill Vader? It reminded Vader of Obi-Wan. We don’t know how Ahsoka came to be part of the Rebellion; we know that, according to Dave Filoni, she isn’t a part of its leadership. Don't forget to take a look at our rundown of ways Star Wars Rebels set up the events of Rogue One and our list of ways the latest episodes set the stage for the series finale. Around this time, she was nearly enslaved by an impostor who intercepted the signal to the Jedi Order and who hoped to use her powers for their own ends. Maul shared that Anakin was healed by Sidious to become his next apprentice and destroy the Jedi. If the saber had been aboard the ship, there’s no way it would still light up promptly when Vader hits the switch. However, there’s a lot of other meaning in this scene that seems to be glossed over. Did Ahsoka Tano Die on Malachor? Maul) nor a Togruta (i.e. And not just because he sees Morai — that’s the easy way to interpret it if you want to believe he knows, but I think that even if he has no idea what Morai’s presence represents, it’s still a matter of simple deduction. Given that Vader survived the encounter and nobody ever heard from Ahsoka after the episode, the logical conclusion was that Ahsoka perished in the battle... if not for one last shot that seemed to show Ahsoka descending down into the Sith temple on Malachor. She wounded Vader in the process and cut off part of his mask. Instead, now that Kanan is part of the cosmic Force, his will could remain at work in the form of the wolf, even if he could not return himself. These are all degrees of force that are vastly lower than that which would be brought to bear by being aboard a late Republic era Star Destroyer that is somehow brought out of hyperspace and takes a free fall crash onto a planet. Someone buried those troops, and given the significance of the crash site and the fact that no one appears to have scavenged it since, it seems obvious that it was someone who was aboard the ship. Instead, she went back through the portal to Malachor and descended down into the Sith temple, just as we saw at the end of the Season 2 finale. Even a clone trooper that wasn’t loyal, perhaps having joined Ahsoka in a mutiny, would have still likely taken the saber as a memorial. Anakin- So be it, Sith! We know that any such search would turn up nothing, because we know that Ahsoka and Rex left. (Suddenly the chains holding Anakin disintegrate into nothing and he gets up. Go. She’s the only one who would’ve had the saber, might’ve caused enough trouble amidst Order 66 to cause the ship to crash, still would’ve come back out of any sense of loyalty to the clones to bury them after she survived, wouldn’t report back to the Empire after surviving, and might leave the saber here. At minimum, Vader knows that whoever survived to perform this burial and dropped the saber, didn’t do so. Well, "A World Between Worlds" resolved the mystery, and not in a way that anybody saw coming. Since there may have been some of us out there who needed to have our hearts broken all over again about Kanan, "A World Between Worlds" gave us another angle on his death, let us see Ezra react again to watching Kanan die, and forced us to hear once more Hera's horrified scream as Kanan was consumed by flames. He can probably guess that one or the other of them was responsible for the ship’s crash, but he doesn’t necessarily know which one. I’m going to just stipulate that the probe droids we see in that scene are at least that good at determining where any human bodies in the area have been buried. Dave Filoni has indicated that he’s here to hunt, he’s not here to reminisce or get nostalgic. Jarmel The Jackrabbit Always Wins. 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